by - Hugh Reekie - Ottawa Canada - go to his home page
The purpose of this page
is to pull together information about Elsie Leonora Edwards, Cardiff
and her forebears.
Elizabeth
Maria Edwards formerly Stephens neé Poole - mother of Elsie
Leonora Williams neé Edwards
- research in Ottawa by Hugh Reekie, March 2005 onwards -
Looking into Cardiff entries with John Sayers, the expert, I found, as expected, in the 1891 census, Parish of St. John, at 12 Newport Road - John Edwards, 58, born Neath, Welsh speaking [b abt 1833]; he is listed as a "Dealer in Fancy Goods" [note - he is not listed as a coach builder or repairer]. His wife Elizabeth Maria, 42, [believed born Poole] was born at "Cricklade, Gloucestershire" [about 1849]. The three stepsons are: Arthur Geo Stephens, 20 (also Dealer in Fancy Goods), Lloyd Augustus, 17 "in partnership", and William A, 15, scholar; and finally daughter Elsie Leonora Edwards, 8, scholar, all b Cardiff, Glam. Mary Anne Berritt?, 27, Domestic Servant completes the household.
Searching in "free BMD" shows that there is an entry for Cricklade, Wiltshire, Jan-Mar 1848 - Elizabeth Poole, Vol 8 page 314. There is only one entry (in that name) *for the period 1842 - 1852.
IGI & other records state:
later - 1881 census - Arthur G Stephens - b Cardiff, head John Edwards, both at 2 Woodford Place Cardiff// St John
later: - 1881 census - noted on 20 March 2005:
John R.
POOLE Head Mar 62 b
Newton, Gloucester, England Butcher
Eunice L.
POOLE Wife Mar 62 b
Wickwar* , Worcester, England - [*probably in Glos]
Elizabeth M.
EDWARDS Daur Mar Female
33 Cricklade, Wiltshire, England
Martha E. POOLE Daur Unmd 20 b
Newport, Monmouth, England Fancy Shop Assistant
Flloyd A.N. STEPHENS Grand Son
Male 7 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Scholar
William A. STEPHENS Grand Son Male
5 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Scholar «
- - Mary A. GILBERT Serv U
Female 19 Cwmavon, Monmouth,
England Dom
all present for the census at:
13 Commercial Rd, St Woollos, Monmouth,
Wales [St Woollos is a re sub
district in Newport]
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Film 1342266 RG 11 5263 / 112 page 32
Additional details from the web:
Registration district - Cricklade - Created 1st July 1837. -- Sub-districts : Cricklade; Wootton Bassett. - GRO volumes : VIII (1837-51); 5a (1852-1930).
Ashton Keynes, Braydon, Broad Town (from 1884), Clyffe Pypard, Cricklade, Elsey, Latton, Leigh, Lydiard Millicent, Lydiard Tregoze, Lyneham, Marston Meysey (from 1882), Purton, Tockenham, Wootton Bassett. - Registers now in Swindon district. -- There are many web entries for Poole in Cricklade, Wilts, (9 m NW of Swindon) but the GENUKI FH name search shows no direct interest in Cricklade
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John Edwards married Elizabeth M. Stephens neé Poole in Cardiff in the late Summer of 1880. The circumstance of their living around 1881 seem a little strange. It is belived that John married Elizabeth soon after the death of her first husband.The 1881 census shows Ffloyd and William, 2 of the offspring from Elizabeth's first marriage, living with Elizabeth's parents John & Eunice Poole in Monmouth; a natural thing do do after distress in a family. But Arthur G Stevens, 10 years old, is living in Cardiff with his stepfather; One can conclude that, after the tragic death of Elizabeth's first husband, she moved to her father's home and left her eldest son to help with the Fancy Goods shop. Perhaps living with her father and providing for her younger sons was a less stressful, and more cost efficient, way of living; or perhaps they were just visiting; no-one really knows.
Obituaries of John Edwards state, inter alia, that he worked for his father Morgan Edwards in the family carriage repair firm in Cardiff. Various City Directory entries have been identified. See note 399 below.
351 - IGI has an entry Morgan Edwards md 02 Nov 1828 Ann Davies in Neath Glamorgan - only entry - batch 7200307 source 0820067 DHMR 16Feb2007
368 - Letter from Hugh's Aunt Eryl (aged abt 86) dated 14 Nov 2007 [extra text of HR in square brackets] states: 1. .. Poole was a remembered name ... 2. My mother 's second name was Leonora & what more likely theme that her mother would include her mother's name in Elsie's 3. Our Uncle Bert (Stephens) [The Ffloyd aged 7 in 1881?] would be granpa Edwards stepson [a son of Elizabeth Maria's first marriage]. We knew him well; he was very close to my mother & used to stay with us at Loaning Head [Garrigill, Cumbria]. His Morgan [3 wheeler car] broke down one time at Langwathby which he called "Llang-tiddley-push". I never heard of his having brothers at all but perhaps they were much older than he & did not keep in contact. Granny Edwards [Elizabeth Maria] owned the shop in the arcade which when Shirley [my sister] & I - staying with Uncle Bert's son Donald - was quite an imposing toy shop, which on marriage in those days would appear to belong to granpa Edwards. The carriage business which I think he ran in partnership with his brother finished the body work of carriages - rather like Van den Plas in London; my father [D J Williams the minister] said when cars came in he did not carry on. There is his obit from the papers around & we had a silver trowel presented to him when he laid the foundation stone - probably of a church in Cardiff. (I don't know of this helps at all but does seem to get source [? some] of your dates etc.)
399 An obituary (from Shirley Jackson via Ian Reekie) states John Edwards was b in Cowbridge (vale of Glamorgan). He died 9 Sep 1907 aged 78; prob born 1829. In IGI: b 03Nov 1826, Cadoxton-juxta-Barry parents Phillip and Anne (poss ties in with #499 below) or b 21 Jun 1825 Michaelstone, Fedw (?) Glam parents Morgan Edwards & Mary Rowland, neither look promising. But a Morgan Edwards, Coachbuilder is in Slater's 1850 directory at Cowbridge (but not 1857) - per GENUKI.
401 An 1851 census entry: Parish, borough & town of Cowbridge, p39, entry 160: all at Armoury, East Village: Morgan Edwards, head 46, coachbuilder (employing 1 man & appce) b Llanrhidian [abt 1805], Glam; Ann or Alice, wife 46, b Margam; Mary Harris, niece u 17 b Neath, Morgan E son, 11, coachbuilder app; Mary dau 7 scholar; Alice dau, 2; all 3b Cardiff. copy ref 107 2401, ancestry.com .Nepean library 24 July 2006. HR. The parish of Llanrhidian [S241] is in the benefice of Llanrhidian with Llanyrnewydd [S621], which is in the deanery of Gower.
402 An 1851 census entry: Peterstone, Glam, . John Edwards is an apprentice. head is Thomas Webster spouse Mary. more details to follow. ran out of time! Nepean library 24 July 2006. HR. Note - from OS map & web: Peterstone is on the coast and has a modern Golf Course.
403 A on web page: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Cowbridge/BuildingsAndPeople.html re book Cowbridge Buildings and People £4.95 (or £6 to inc p&p, UK , Cowbridge Record Society, 8 Mill Park, Cowbridge CF71 7BG). By Cowbridge Record Society 1999 - ISBN 0 9537029 0 1 - EDWARDS Morgan page 92 (at 46 Eastgate)
411 An 1861 census entry: John Edwards b abt 1830, Neath, with parents Morgan & Anne living at Llandaff, Hamlet of Canton. page 52. next to Wyndham Hotel, wellington St llandaff. At 1. Oerton Terrace (hard to read) (next image has Heath Cottages) #289: Morgan head 56 coacbuilder b Llanrhidian, Anne wife 56 -- b Margam, John son 31 coach painter b Neath; Morgan son 21 coach wheeler b Neath; Mary 17 -- b Cardiff. HR Nepean library 15Jan07.
412 An 1871 census entry #399 sched 56: at 63 Mary St, Cardiff: Morgan head 66 coachbuilder emp 16 men & 6 boys b Swansea!!, Anne wife 66 -- , John son 41 coachbuilder b Neath; Morgan 31 coachbuilder b Cardiff!! ; Sarah Sopp?? gen servant. Near St Mary's St GWR Station 55 is Cornish Mount Inn next is 63, then a circus Office ^6 is royal hotel %9 refreshment House 2 Terminus Hotel 53 Foundry - trades - decortator, auctioneer. 17 HR Nepean library 15Jan07.
499 A written Williams family record (from a notebook, the parish and graveyard are not stated) of a gravestone states: in memory of Catherine Wife of Richard Williams of Blanhonihan {Blaenhonddan Cadoxton-juxta-Neath} in Neath P[arish, Glamorgan]. This parish who died June 19th 1797 aged 36 years. Also Jane daughter of the above died March 3rd 1792 aged 1 year. Also the above named Richard Williams died Feb 23rd 1806 aged 53 years.
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